romney is saying, no, that's not what i'm going to do and when i unveil may plan, you'll see. i guess in the terms of the debate, i think romney kind of comes away here with the victory because it's hard for the viewer who doesn't have an ensigh cloa pedia understanding of this to really believe that mitt romney is not for a plan that he says he's not for on stage there. >> very interesting. one of the other things that was bandied about throughout the course of the evening, medicare, a lot of talk about medicare, and mitt romney kept saying that the president wants it take $716 million out of medicare right away. and the president didn't really refute that. let's take a look at these comments. >> but on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion from the program. now, he says by not overpaying hospitals and providers, actually just going to them and say we're going to reduce the rates you get paid across the board, everybody is going to get a lower rate, that's not just going after places where there's abuse, that's saying we're cutting the race. >> $716 billio